Curse

Silent Kitty · Mar 31, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

GW is not a democracy.

I guess it's more like a congresional vote, and that one out of eight is the person who decides to filibuster (sp?).

And we will not reach a concensual agreement here, as it is more of an opinon with the game mechanics deciding the final outcome. The only way to resolve the problem is to come to agreement before starting the mission, and hope that all who have agreed to skip the cut scene do so.

Ah, you expect pugs to discuss strategy, before they start the mission? I like to have good laugh to, but this is not gonna happen. Pugs only discuss strategy when the hated sign "Your party is defeated" appears. And I can tell you, it isn't nice

Ristaron · Mar 31, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59

I agree that unless it has been prior stated (and for a good reason), skipping the cutscenes should not be mandatory.

I also agree that ANet should make everything else stop during the cutscenes, i.e. health and energy. I once held the aggro of all the White Mantle for my team as they got to Evennia/Saidra (whoever it is...) at the end of the Riverside mission.
When the cutscene came on, my character (leader of the party) ran to meet Evennia... with fifty White Mantle giving me a massage with their axes. My character survived in the cutscene, thankfully, but when it went back to the game in the brief period between cutscene and loading screen I was dead.

Loviatar · Mar 31, 2006, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

As for my co workers well since I'm the boss what I say does matter but that's neither here nor there. You haven't provided one good reason why the majority vote shouldn't matter in this game. .

OK a serious reason.

a person going through for the first time might not ever come back that way again and decide that redoing the mission for x minutes was not worth doing just to see a missed scene.

it would cost that person however long it was in wasted redo the mission time to see it.

the cost to the rushing 7 is at the most a minute or so for most of them.

all you have to do is wait for a minute grab a drink or pit stop and little lost time to you.

this is one mission one time (you can dump him/her if you need to redo it) and only a few minutes .

again if you announced skip before leaving you in right

if you yell skip without warning you are wrong.

and Anet has had almost a year to correct any failing by putting in a majority overide (which they havent)

Markaedw · Mar 31, 2006, 08:11 PM // 20:11

We are getting a little defensive here.

The real question here is or should be: when is it ok/rude to skipp or not to skip.

Rude not to skip:
1. When not skipping is detremental to the team. IE underattack or hex
2. When the MM ask you to: mainly to preserve his minions.

Granted they are disposable, but MM have little or no attack skills equiped, it is all about minions, to maintain them requires health sacrifices and a lot of work. Its all about momentum, getting is alot of work and keeping it just as hard.

I don't know about other MM but I'm usually ok with losing them all if they are old (meaning 3 or more minutes), a 5 minute old minion, nothing but me and 2 monks can keep it going. If the MM has a lot, probally you should skip, if it has been a while or just a couple, we'll probably get over it.

When is it ok to watch the vid:
1. End of mission
2. When the above conditions do not apply

When is it ok to make not skipping as issue,
1. When the first conditions apply

When it is not ok to make not skipping an issue
1. When they are new and the first conditions did not aply.

I consider it never ok to flame some one for the vid decision.

The bad part is, often the vids contain important story information, and it is a shame the watching them causes problems.

Str0b0 · Mar 31, 2006, 08:14 PM // 20:14

I give up. I seriously just give up. You people are beyond all reason. I shudder to think of the future when this generation gets into positions of power. Hello dictatorship and the rule of one.

Mordakai · Mar 31, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

I give up. I seriously just give up. You people are beyond all reason. I shudder to think of the future when this generation gets into positions of power. Hello dictatorship and the rule of one.

Dude, it's a frickin' video game. If you don't have the time to watch a stupid cutscene, you probably shouldn't playing.

Next, I'll see people complaining of waiting for Necros to summon and for Rangers to set traps (OMG, you take to long, let's just rush!!!)

Sunai · Mar 31, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Str0b0, I think the problem is that we all missed the day Bush announced that his new target in the spread of democracy was Guild Wars.

There is no government in Guild Wars, so I have no clue what you're trying to say with all this dictatorship stuff. Not everything can be decided with a majority vote, and not everything is solved in democracy (especially when applied to a game).

Str0b0 · Mar 31, 2006, 08:24 PM // 20:24

Yeah I'm just going to bang my head on the desk now. Days like this make me wish that Natural Selection would kick it up a notch in the human race.

Loviatar · Mar 31, 2006, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

I give up. I seriously just give up. You people are beyond all reason. I shudder to think of the future when this generation gets into positions of power. Hello dictatorship and the rule of one.

did you count the yea/nay votes on this?

by your own majority rule the let them watch it wins big time.

Str0b0 · Mar 31, 2006, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Point taken. Still in game and here are different. I'll try to be more patient with people , but I'm not going to promise I can stand to do it.

Can we all at least agree though that anyone that wants to watch a cutscene should say so before starting the mission?

Teklord · Mar 31, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

I'm with just about everything that has been said.

Majority rules, bad idea. Too many people are experience at this point in the timeline and pretty much all scenes would be skipped which is not proper for the newbie.

Freeze health/energy and the like for scenes. Good idea, should be implemented. I can't see a negative to this.

Skipping, I have no problem if
1. It was agreed at the beginning of the mission to do this.
2. If it's a run, which is basically #1 cause you are there to get through it as fast as you can.
3. If each person chooses to do so without outside influence, it is their choice.

Not skipping is perfectly acceptable. If you want to watch it, watch it. If you haven't seen it before, watch it. Also if you haven't seen it before there is no valid reason I could live with to force a person to skip it, and to force them to have to do the mission again with henchmen just to see the scene.

MM requesting skip. If people choose to skip for the MM, that is their choice. If there is someone new that hasn't seen the scene, that person can choose to skip (by their own choice) or choose to watch it. Again, there is no valid reason why someone who has not seen the scene before to skip save by their own (un-influenced) decision.

I really don't see how it is any more complicated than that. When I go to play factions and I team up with other humans, if the question was not put forward before the mission starts and I have not seen the cutscene I can promise that I won't be skipping it. Save when under attack, however that should never happen; clear the area before talking to NPCs (aka play the game) or get together with others that want to run it, and would skip all scenes anyway.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Mar 31, 2006, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Ok I can see this is a problem for alotta noobs obviously.. The skpping of the cutscenes is personal preference people should be allowed to not skip but in certain cases people have not skipped cutscenes and I was ready to reach out and touch someone.. First of all there are about TWO places that are MAJOR problem zones. First of all In the Ice Caves of Sorrow if, when you meet sadira and evennia, you do not sip 9/10 probability the mursaat will come from behind and MURDER you since generally in the Ice caves people are not infused then spectral agony is about a four second kill. Next in Thunder Head Keep(notoriously dubbed "the noob barrier") after you clear out the stadium. IF you have an MM with you(which is recommended since a good MM can clean up with the vast amount of corpses in THK) YOU NEED TO SKIP since that scene is gawdawfully long all the minions will die and you will probably be screwed unless you also have a good bonder(in this case MM isnt needed since bonder can make you near invincible if he is good enough)..Well there goes my rant..GL

Thom · Mar 31, 2006, 09:05 PM // 21:05

Str0b0,
You act as if voting theory is cut and dry and that majority rule is the end solution to everything. Nothing could be further from the truth. The liturature on voting mechanisms and group decision making is huge in economics.

Realize that you are wrong. There is no inherent superiority of majority rule in this application. The benefit gained by one member here normally surpasses the utility of the time lost by everyone else (except in the various running and MM situations).

If people have to tell you that they want to watch cut scenes, you are going to kick them or leave which makes grouping even more annoying.

Elvarg · Mar 31, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

I can't believe this debate is still going on. How hard is it to comprehend the democratic process. Did all you people still arguing that majority doesn't matter just completely miss your government and economic classes? What were you doing? Smoking pot in the bathroom? I mean Jesus it's not that difficult a concept to grasp. By all you folks rationale one dissenting vote in any democratic system should hold sway over the majority and that's not only unfair but just flat out stupid. I tried not to be insulting and I tried to be nice about this but I'm utterly exasperated with every single person on here who has said that a majority vote shouldn't matter just because someone is new. I'm sorry maybe I missed the day in government and economics when the teacher was explaining how the democratic system works. Maybe I was out the day she said." The majority wins but only if no one is new. Then the new person's vote counts for more than the majority vote." I can hardly believe this is even open for debate anymore. Maybe we should start giving our junior senators in congress like ten votes? How about that? Would that be fair? I'm sorry I don't care if the guy is new or if he's played through a hundred times if the party, you know the people helping them through the mission, wants to skip then the dissenter should skip. It's not just the one persons mission nor is it the one person's time. It's everyone's mission and everyone's time and therefore everyone should vote on how to do it. That's the whole purpose of displaying the number of people who want to skip. If, as you say, the game developers had implied their "right" to watch the cutscenes then there would be no point in having that display now would there? Hell there wouldn't even be an option to skip.

I think it is juvenile to hold up an entire group against the majority vote. It is no different from the three year old who digs in his heels and refuses to move from the toy aisle even after the rest of the family has voiced their desire to go eat. It's a tantrum plain and simple and it is selfish. Selfishness is defined as being concerned chiefly or only with oneself. How dare you people say that seven out of eight people wanting to skip are being selfish. It's the one who doesn't that is being selfish. They are concerned chiefly or only with their desire to see the cutscene. There are some seriously skewed points of view here and I can only hope that you people are applying them only to this game because I shudder to think of the people that have to deal with you in your daily life if you think that one person should always get their way.

Ever wondered why the President can single-handedly veto a legislation approved by a majority of the senators?

Kook~NBK~ · Apr 01, 2006, 01:07 AM // 01:07

Still beating the dead horse, eh?

It's not even a question of skip/not skip voting, Tyrian kingdoms aren't democracies anyway. :P It's a question about respecting peoples' decisions about it. If someone chooses to watch the cut scene, let them do so in peace. Flaming them about it will only make you look pathetic. When I'm in a PUG and I see someone flaming because the cut scene played all the way through, I'll be sure to not skip the next one, if there is one.

But freezing battle action during cut scene should be something to seriously consider, it's not exactly very probable that someone will sit there and listen to an NPC when they're being beaten on.

kryshnysh · Apr 01, 2006, 03:05 AM // 03:05

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

Can we all at least agree though that anyone that wants to watch a cutscene should say so before starting the mission?

Other way around. State beforehand you don't want to, and others should respect that or get out.

The OP's/thread's complaint isn't going after how you act about cut scenes. If you do as you say in your posts; always saying you want to skip all cut scenes before entering a mission, you are doing perfectly fine to dump them if they don't.

See my comment much earlier about how the "7 of 8 want to skip" isn't truly democratic voting on whether to skip or not. I may be one of the 7 at times, but since I know it requires a unanimous "vote," I'm more (not entirely) abstaining than voting to skip. Even if it were a majority vote, there are plenty of times when majority votes are not used... and reasons why... and I could go on and on and on if you wish. Feel free to PM me.

Caoimhe · Apr 01, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by Iskrah

Agreed. Actually i never got to see the cutscenes, because of the pressure of some... And i'm sure it's the same for a lot of players.

..which ruined it for me as well.

Loviatar · Apr 01, 2006, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by Iskrah
Agreed. Actually i never got to see the cutscenes, because of the pressure of some... And i'm sure it's the same for a lot of players.

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Originally Posted by Caoimhe

..which ruined it for me as well.

and this will probably be my last post on this.

the people yelling skip have already seen it and had their fun..they may hate the cutscene but that does not mean someone coming along for the first time might not enjoy it a lot.

simply because you have seen it does not give you the right to spoil somebody elses enjoyment because you have seen it a gazillion times and are in a hurry.

as i said Anet designed this to let the 1 person who wants to see it do so in peace unidentified and not overuled by the others.

Str0b0 · Apr 01, 2006, 06:15 PM // 18:15

I'm still ditching anyone that doesn't skip. I always warn them first but I'll ditch if you don't skip. If you agree to skip and then don't skip I'll not only ditch you but I'll run as much aggro as humanly possible back on you before I do.

Loviatar · Apr 01, 2006, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

I'm still ditching anyone that doesn't skip. I always warn them first but I'll ditch if you don't skip. If you agree to skip and then don't skip I'll not only ditch you but I'll run as much aggro as humanly possible back on you before I do.

one last last post on this.

if they are breaking an agreed on set of conditions let me help you agro from the other side of the map and we can catch them in the middle.

i never said anything about flying under false colors being right

if you told them before starting this was a skip group the nonskip who lied to you deserves it